phoenix9286 said
+1 to Vagueness

Just to poke some more holes in this unsound theory…

SEspider said

Keep in mind that once they were separated from the ARK and the Arbiter, the two of them were in no danger at all. Hince Master Chief going into cryo of his own free will/choice.

Actually I'm pretty sure he went into cryo because they were lightyears from anywhere, and the likelihood of being found anytime soon was zero. In fact Cortana says as much. She dropped a becon, and said it could be a long time before anyone found them.

Of course that was part of the reason. But it wasn't the full reason. They guy's been through hell and back. Spartan or not, he needed to rest. And it was STILL of his own free will. Not once did any order him into cryo nor force him into it, bud.

Between the time of the ARK exploding and their separation from Arbiter, there was no time for him to change suits. Cortana MAY have known about the armor the moment she was "plugged in" and may have wanted John in the armor, but there just wasn't enough time during their escape and there was plenty of time afterwards once the immediate danger had passed.

The immediate danger was past the second they dropped out of the slipspace portal. And like we've been telling you, you don't just go hiding the most expensive, elaborate, complex, and impressive piece of man made technology on a ship and not tell the one person who can actually use it as soon as he steps on board. Especially if it's something he can use to, you know, help save the galaxy.

Heck, Chief might in fact knew about it and just chose not to put it on until he rested and healed. As you've already stated, Cortana informed him it may take years for anyone to find them. So why rush when you've not only been fighting the Covies and Flood but also fell from space and went straight into battle? Oh yeah. And he had just saved the galaxy again so at that moment the suit was STILL not needed. You guys seem to be forgetting one major detail about the armor. It takes getting use to. And if you're muscles are in pain and bones possibly broken from hours of fighting and FALLING FROM SPACE, the last thing you're going to do is put on new armor that could very well rip your arm off or break your neck with a single twitch. 

Keep in mind that it takes machines or a entire team to place new armor on a spartan. In the novels it takes an hour or more.

In Fall of Reach, sure. In The Flood, John was straight up out of armor at one point, and then slipped back into it apparently on his own. In First Strike, they were upgrading their armor in the field like it was no big thing. And in Halo 2? Who helped John into the Mark VI on Cairo? Gunns? One guy in a small armory with nothing more than a bunch of crates and a shield test station? I think it's safe to say it took a team when they put it on the first time, but after that, not so much. In fact, the only time after Fall of Reach it's even mentioned they need help getting into or out of the armor is in Cole Protocol. And so far as my memory is leading me to believe, they could accomplish that on their own, with just a few clamps on a wall. The other Spartans helped because it was faster, easier, and just, you know, the friendly thing to do.

You're forgetting that the Spartans had been using there armor for years when they were upgrading them. So they had years of experience in working with it and knew how to remove them safely. Also, they were NOT alone (best I can remember). They had other Spartans around to help them. The novels also point out they helped one another in removing and updating armor from fellow spartans, You're assuming that is was because they didn't need help. Not once in the novels does it say spartans didn't need help. If so, then PLEASE point it out. does the Chief remove his armor alone? Yes. But remember he has had years of experience working with that armor and had to learn how to remove it without help. He also had a AI present to give him a once over to ensure it was in good shape and seals were not leaking. As for the Chief at the start of Halo2, we don't know jack about how he put it on. For all we know, he had help putting it one and the workers that helped him left the room before the scene started. You just assuming he put on the NEW armor without assistance. Anyone with common military sense would know not to rely on your own eyes and judgement when it comes to equipment. Especially when it comes to one's armor.

This is fun but I'm off to watch the trailer and other stuff now. Thanks for the post, Nomis.

generalvagueness said

The problem is that you're claiming the armor could've been on FUD before it left for the Ark, but then why not put it on before landing? It would have had to be read before that, so why not put it on before the assault on the Covenant forces in The Storm? Unless we're getting down to hours here it would've been ready that day, so why not put it on at Crow's Nest, especially since they weren't expecting it to be attacked (at least not right when it was)? It's a matter of time, and after cryo is not the time.

 I never said it was on Forward Unto Dawn. I simply said it may have. Big difference.
If it was on they ship before the reached the ARK, then I have no idea why Master Chief didn't put it on. Apart from a lack of time. They were in battle on a alien Forerunner structure much bigger then any Halo Ring after all.
 For all we know, the suit could be on Infinity or another ship he encounters between Halo3 & 4.
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Good point with the Infinity suggestion.

If you want to assume that they found a derelict was worse off than the Dawn (with or without the suit), then one must also assume the engines were shot to heck. Or one could assume that Cortana did find a transport use for it, but it just wasn't enough power to be useful outside of keeping Master Chief and Cortana alive.
Or one could assume a giant squid monster came by, made the suit and then was eaten by Master Chief. We could assume all sorts of things and find some way to have it make sense. But the squid one would be stretching it a good bit. lol.

Hello,

   I quickly scanned through the posts', & I may be able to help a little.

   I'm one of those silly people that listens to pod casts', & they have one out,(343), dedicated to forward.

 Evidently 4ward is 30 years prior to the events of Halo. & the armor the chief is wearing reflects the version he wore at that time, ( I was bugged by the '117' on his chest,(His voice too!),. in the legends movie ,(animation), his suit looks that way.

    Also in an earlier pod cast they had said that the grunts,(& possibly the elites) were off of some sort of scrap hauler, & that they were a different breed of the species. & that's why they look a little different. just like the Tiger doesn't look like a lion, but they're both felines.

      I hope 4 does well, & plays well. Before Halo, I was a racer. I had played 'doom' & such, but I still loved racing more. & then I drove a warthog!,( or is it a puma?),. I like Gears, don't get me wrong; but it certainly isn't Halo.

   In the next month or so I'm going to self exile myself. I want to play the campaign with out knowing what's going to happen. So I will indeed "go dark".

 Just before reach I finally played Assassins creed. I bought it at launch, & I had only played about 20 minutes worth.

    Now I have Gears 3, & so far, I've only played a few minutes as well.

        But I'll be around, never fear! I need to ask over @ 343 when would be a good time to go on "sabbatical"! Hope this helped.  

 Little info like that helps a great deal.
It was bugging me until I learned the time frame of the film.
So slim to nadda chance of the film explaining the new suit. Which is fine considering the time frame.
But it does need to be explained at some point. Otherwise it's just going to confuse new players that the film brings in.

lol
 Never said it would be a big confusion for newbies. Even tough I'm fine with H4's suit, I still want it explained.

John and Ian make a good point. That's big gap for that particular suit design. And Halo1 takes place between the two (unless I'm mistaken), so what's up with that?! 343i seem to keep breaking cannon with the suit design and it's starting to really bug me. It's got me wondering about the Covie in the film. Are they going to have the classic Grunts or the new ones? AAARRRGGHHH!!!!!